Trump’s decision to pull out of Iran deal a blow to Cyprus’s ambitions (Update-1)

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By Stelios Orphanides

The unilateral decision of US President Donald Trump to withdraw from the nuclear agreement struck by Iran and the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany and the EU three years ago may negatively impact Cyprus’s tentative efforts to exploit opportunities in the south Asian country, a business group leader said.

“We have made serious efforts to help the Cypriot business community find opportunities in Iran,” said Michalis Antoniou, director general of the Federation of Employers and Industrialists (OEV) in a telephone interview on Wednesday, a day after Trump announced his decision.

“We organised trade missions in 2016 and 2017 that led to agreements and transactions, after overcoming difficulties related to banking. It is a market we consider promising for many sectors provided there is political stability”.

Antoniou said that Trump’s decision is likely to close a window of opportunity for Cypriot companies “to more than 10 sectors of the economy,” including shipping, hospitality, legal, fiduciary and accounting services, that participated in the trade missions. He also added that Cyprus should also take into account its ties to Israel, which considers Iran a threat to its security.

As expected, apart from the business interest in Iran, the lifting of UN sanctions in early 2016 led also to other forms of cooperation, even at government level.

Cyprus and Iran had already signed a double taxation avoidance treaty in August 2015, which came into force in March last year.

The decision of the US President who had declared his intention to scrap the agreement during the 2016 campaign, has widened the rift between the US and its European allies who said they will stick to the provisions of the deal that aims at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Already, the Institute of Certified Accountants of Cyprus (ICPAC) which also supervises accounting firms notified its members about the need to remain informed about sanctions imposed by the UN, the US and others, and to fully comply with them, its chairman said.

“There was a certain euphoria that trade with Iran would commence that would give the economy a boost,” Marios Skandalis who chairs ICPAC and is also head of Bank of Cyprus’s compliance division said. “It turned out a pipedream. The only thing we now miss is waiting for something to happen”.

Still, the Cypriot banking sector opted for a wait-and-see approach instead of rushing into Iran after the sanctions were lifted. Even today, more than two years later, Cypriot lenders do not open accounts to Iranian nationals. According to Skandalis, the sanctions lifted concerned “political sanctions” while those concerning transactions in US dollar remained in place.

“With the lifting of the sanctions, Cypriot banks continued treating Iran as if the sanctions were still in place,” a spokesperson of the Association of Cyprus Banks said.

“With respect to Iran, we followed the Americans,” the spokesperson said in reference to the additional scrutiny of transactions carried out in US dollar via foreign correspondent banks. “It was as if we had a parallel central bank which was even stricter than our supervisor”.

The Cypriot banks’ reluctance to engage in business with Iran on concerns they could expose themselves to additional money laundering risks, led to complaints at political level which in turn prompted the Central Bank of Cyprus to advise lenders that it was up to them to decide whether to engage in Iran business after evaluating the risks, while always sticking to the law.

Michael McBride, a Limassol-based lawyer, explained that Trump’s decision may have further ramifications.

“It does not only discourage business with Iran but also transacting in US dollar,” he said. “There are already banks abroad which simply do not do dollar transactions”.

According to Cystat, the volume of bilateral trade in 2016 did not exceed €7m broken down to €6.1m in exports and €626,000 in imports. The number of visitors from Iran in 2016 and 2017 was 5,328 and 6,502 respectively.

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Stelios Orphanides is a journalist at CyprusBusinessMail.com. To contact Stelios Orphanides: [email protected]

  • kapios

    Well isn’t this a shame…Some company or business man that wants to do business with a regime that funds terrorism, squanders human rights puts in jail any opposition and wants to destroy a whole country and the region around it is crying foul…too damn bad…but I guess the Greek Cypriots are used to funding those who want to destroy them…Just look how many flock to the North side to spent their money at the very same time Turkey and their lap dog Akinci is telling them they wan it all.

    • Girneli

      What a disgusting comment, what a sad person you must be. Thank god you are on the other side of the border.

      • kapios

        Disgusting is you and your pathetic leaders that want it all after stealing most of it.

        • Girneli

          Pathetic and disgusting response from an extremist with selective memory. Between 63 and 74 you extremists drove 103 TC village full of people from their homes and lands. Drove TC’s into ghettos, massacres innocent civilians. Your attempted theft would have been permanent if the intervention had not happened. It is because of people like you that partition will be permanent. Thank god for that.

          • kapios

            Blah blah blah…oh the poor Turks and how unjustly the world has and is treating them. Innocent T.C. my ass. Yes the Greeks have done a few things also but their “atrocities” pale compare to the Turks. Partition will be permanent ? You thieving idiots are trying to legalize it and make sure the world accepts it. If the Greeks had any brains they would not spent a dime in the North occupied area, demand that you pay taxes in order to receive any benefits and let you be a total drain on Erdogan. Anyone living in the occupied area should be consider as a traitor assisting a foreign occupying force. Otherwise call your self just a Turk and give up the term Cypriot.

          • Girneli

            You are either an indoctrinated fool or just playing the fool for the sake of it. We co own the island until there is a final settlement. Try stopping TC getting their rights under the constitution, I dare you and the likes of you. That would result in automatic recognition of TRNC.

            The Turks are here at our invitation and with our blessing and will stay for as long as we want them to. As co owners that is our right. Those crossing to TRNC are to be commended and they likely know what neighborly relations are, obviously unlike you.

            Just to be clear, we are not ‘poor’ anything, we are doing better than well and happy with our self determination, long may it continue.

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            Well said. The GCs do not want anything short of turning the clock back to pre-1974, they cannot accept that that will never happen, and cannot accept to look in the mirror to understand why ‘1974’ happened.

            Here is a cheers to the TRNC !!

          • kapios

            Oh my drunk friend is here.

          • Guest

            Another Dumbo, 1974 “happened” because Turkey had agreed to invade the island with the British and other interested parties. The Green Line was drawn over ten years before the coup, the Turks would have invaded whether there was a coup or not as they have already stated.

          • kapios

            The invasion was planned months and months ahead of the coup. There is solid proof of that. Just weeks before the coup there were “reckon missions” near the landing point scouting the area out. Some were even reported to the authorities but were ignored.

          • Guest

            Thanks, I didn’t know that, I will use that info to knock the haters heads with, any links?

          • kapios

            An excerpt (among others) for articles relating to Kissinger’s and USA’s role back then. This one appeared in New York times, might still be floating around on the net.
            “Moreover, Turkish officials remain angry to this clay over the 1964 letter from President Johnson, who headed off a Turkish invasion of Cyprus then by threatening to withdraw America’s nuclear protection if the crisis led the Soviet Union to act.”
            Also if you run across some older retired Turkish military that are willing to talk they will tell you the gathering of the invading force started months before the coup.
            Turkey’s long term plan after 1955 was to invade or otherwise reclaim the island (even though the Ottomans did not exist on the island before they occupied it circa 1500 A.C. Hellenization of the island happen circa 1500 B.C. I believe according to historians and not Greek historians.

          • Girneli

            I guess you believe in little green men too

          • kapios

            Kind of funny in a way that Kissinger thinking he was a smart politician and the foolish Turks going along with his plans just about screwed Turkeys (and yours) chances of becoming part of the Western civilization. I guess Obama tried convincing the Europeans to accept Turkey with open arms but Erdogan’s mouth took care of it. Funny.

          • Girneli

            ‘western civilisation’ is a hyped up notion in the modern era. I have lived in a few European countries and they all have their own problems. Erdogan is a fool and I am no supporter of him or his politics but he is here today gone tomorrow. The reality is that Turkey is a regional power and the 17th richest country in the world, not having close relations with her may prove to be a mistake, will see.

          • Guest

            17th richest, that’s a good joke Dumbo.
            ‘Erdoğan convened the emergency meeting as the value of the lira continued to plunge to record lows.
            The statement said necessary measures would be taken “to reduce interest and exchange rate pressures and to combat inflation more effectively.”’
            Turkey is going bust, fast.

          • Girneli

            Jealous leo? Look it up, its easy enough, even for you.

          • Guest

            Dumbo, I don’t think anyone is jealous of a Turk, the main emotion I have with them is sympathy, they are led like blind sheep.

          • Girneli

            Naaaa, don’t believe you

          • Guest

            Dumbo, do you honestly think I care what you think?

          • Girneli

            Then why reply at all? you need to think through your comments before you make them little leo

          • Guest

            Dumbo you sound like a parrot echoing my words.

          • Girneli

            commenting for the sake of commenting little leo, grow up!

          • Guest

            Dumbo your ex lover boy, Leo is little, how young do you like them?

          • Girneli

            You better find another profile, you are going to be banned again little leo

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            Drawn 10 years before the coup? In your dreams.
            The Turks stated they would have invaded anyway? Please point me to a source of that info so I can read it for myself.

          • Guest

            Go to YouTube and search for the green line Cyprus.
            Whilst you are there search for ITV Denktash.

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            1. I have not gone through all the YouTube videos about the green line, but from what I saw there was nothing about it having been drawn up 10 years before the coup. Tell me which video shows that specifically.

            2. Your suggestion to look for ITV Denktash regarding the invasion only yielded 1 video with an interview with him: “Denktash admits Turks initiated Cyprus intercommunal violence.”
            Apart from the fact that the title is misleading, there is nothing in it that shows the Turks would have invaded anyway irrespective of the coup. If such a video exists, point me to it specifically.

            Anything short of a specific video link I will not chase up and I will regard your comment above as mere propaganda garbage.

          • Guest

            You have to watch one to see, don’t go just by the title. Search the Green Line documentary, watch the full video.
            Number two was not regarding the invasion, just that the Turks instigated intercommunal violence, ie bombing and killing TCs and blaming the GCs, there is also another video concerning this subject, by Sabri Yirmibesoglu, who was also involved in violent false flags in Istanbul a few years earlier, the Istanbul pogrom, he was second in command there. BTW he was also accused of an assassination attempt on Turgut Ozal, who was president of Turkey.

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            The “Turks” did not instigate violence, there were cases of Turkish Cypriots, as for example the friend of Denktash, who individually, i.e. not in an organised manner, tried to foment violence.

            You conveniently leave out the issue of the GCs harassing & attacking the TCs in previous years, going as far as corralling them into TC enclaves.

            As for the full Green Line video, I cannot afford 1½ hour just watching, esp. since this issue is completely off topic. I checked out the Denktash point, even though it is off topic too, but the GL video is a bridge too far.

          • Guest

            Too scared to watch it, as it’s proof that the partition of Cyprus was drawn in the 1950’s, you are a coward.

          • kapios

            Like I said the selfish thieving Turk opens his mouth and nothing but nonsense comes out of it. Go learn what co ownership of something means before you open your mouth. You are nothing but a thief seeking to steal more and using the military force of Turkey to secure your loot. As for the ones crossing to the North and funding your illegal State it is their choice I guess.

          • Girneli

            You obviously have no idea what co owning is. Otherwise the TC would not have been bared from decision making as per the constitution. You have absolutely no morale ground but your indoctrination makes you believe otherwise. The intervention is cause and effect, nothing more. Just deserves for your murderous antics and your devotion to Hellenism and pursuit of enosis. How long are you going to play the victim, we have had partition for 44 years and its here to stay. there will be compensation for those loosing property but hopefully that is all. Personally I would prefer no transfer of land what so ever.

          • Guest

            Dumbo, how does a band of thieving minority who came to Cyprus against their wishes co own the island, you are more than deluded you are off your rocker?

          • Girneli

            Poor little rude leo, indoctrinated with nonsense and never have a sane thing to say.

          • Guest

            Dumbo why don’t you answer the question instead of insulting me?

          • Cyprus74

            Didnt you last two comments start with the word dumbo?

          • Cyprus74

            Oh its Leo again..he has risen

          • Guest

            Who’s Leo?

          • Cyprus74

            You tell me Leo

          • Guest

            Is that you High Tide, still looking for your ex loverboy, you sad man.

          • Cyprus74

            Leo you sad loser..how about calling yourself Theo this time?

          • Guest

            Dumbo, how many accounts have you got, I’ve counted four so far.

          • Cyprus74

            Are you sure you can count?

          • Guest

            Dumbo, let’s count them together, High Tide, Girlneli, E.E.K and you.

          • Cyprus74

            Bit lame aren’t you?

          • Guest

            If you say so dumbo.

          • Cyprus74

            Yes I do say so thicko.

          • kapios

            Yes of course no thief ever wants to relinquish back what he stole unless forced. Go ahead bask in your stolen property, enjoy the companionship of your Anatolian neighbors, live happily without recognition from no one and under the boot of Erdogan which idiot with his doctrine pretty much guarantees Turkey and you idiots will never be part of EU and once he declares you as a part of Turkey (or even if you say you are on your own) you will be stripped from the ROC citizenship and its passports giving you access to Europe and civilization. Go ahead carry out your threats.

          • Girneli

            Admit you stole my govenance rights in 63, admit you drove my community into ghettos, admit your murderous vile racist actions against TC’s, admit you stole our rights to our homes and lands for 11 years prior to 74, admit you want to subjugate the TC, admit you massacred whole villages of TC women, children and old people. You are the thieves and foolishly believe you have the right to the island, news for you you do not and never will.
            Living with mainland Turks is a blessing in comparison. We stole nothing, we gained our liberty from elitist fools who stole our rights. I would rather be un-recognised and have a border with the south than be anywhere near the likes of you. The real nightmare scenario for you will be having a hard border with Turkey if the TRNC is annexed, to me that’s just the lesser of evils facing TC’s.

          • kapios

            Slow down take a breath before you blow your top off…You are entertaining however.

          • Girneli

            Not half as entertaining as you with your typical indoctrinated views. But hey, every one is entitled to their views as long as they are civil I have no problems

          • kapios

            How generous of you.

          • Girneli

            That’s me to a T

          • kapios

            Then perhaps put your words to action and show your generosity by returning the stolen property in your possession.

          • Girneli

            When you return my home, oh you can’t, its been leveled to the ground, or when you return my families land, oh you can’t , you built on it. No return of any land, just compensation.

          • kapios

            A thief always has an excuse at hand.

          • Girneli

            No thieves or excuses here. btw whats you excuse for stealing the TC communities right to govern, the theft of the constitution??? come on clever clogs, lets hear it

          • kapios

            If it was up to me I would send the lot of you back to the caves of Anatolia. You can govern and rule to your hearts delight there.

          • Girneli

            You have no response I see, typical of a thief. I am a TC and this is my land however much you try to steal my rights

          • kapios

            You turning in to a parrot now ? Repeating my words.

          • Girneli

            Still waiting to hear your excuse, stop deflecting

          • kapios

            Not deflecting anything. Cyprus was from 1500 B.C. Hellenic till your ancestors from the caves of Anatolia invaded and murdered and stole like they always do. Then The British got Cyprus for a short time and they got kicked out. The big mistake was they did not send you back to the caves then but rather let you fester like weeds. Your whole history is one of stealing and murdering. So if someone killed a few of you defending their land and properties there was nothing wrong with that. I would do the same if someone came here to steal my house and land.

          • Girneli

            You are just a sad intolerant racist with a chip on your shoulder because the Ottomans ruled over you and your hellenic motherland for centuries. You have to live with that. I suspect that what bothers you the most is that the Turks will always be more powerful than you both as a nation and in terms of their wealth and you can never match them.

            And you are deflecting, but your lot always do as you are too cowardly to answer for your thieving actions in 63 through to 74.

          • kapios

            last time I check no Ottoman ever ruled USA or the country of my ancestors which is not Greece or Cyprus. I have ties to Cyprus through other persons however.

          • Girneli

            If you only have ties to Cyprus why so indoctrinated and racist, why so full of hate??? Your comments suggest you have a singular and distorted view of Turks that is anything but reality. Try visiting TRNC, you may change your mind, though I suspect you are too for gone to do so.

            You still have not answered my question.

          • kapios

            I assure you I do not hate any Turks or any other human being for that matter. However I strongly dislike actions I do not agree with and the persons carrying out those actions. Has nothing to do with ethnicity religion or color. However if one wants to hide behind a religion or ethnicity then those attributes will be a victim too.

          • Cyprus74

            ” the big mistake they did not send you back to the caves but rather fester like weeds” comparing human beings to “weeds” ? Your a disgusting sick individual who follows a repulsive ideology…

          • kapios

            All I am doing is reflecting similar phraseology a lot of the Islamic leaders including Erdogan are using. So stat criticizing your own before you pass judgment on others. Anyway I do not take seriously or even attempt to have a serious discussion with any that think it is fair for a minority to demand to rule equally in a majority by using or relying on the military force of a foreign country.

          • Cyprus74

            You do not possess the ability to have a serious discussion without making racist and discriminatory statements..morons like you enjoy insulting and mocking other races culture and religion.

          • kapios

            The problem with you is that you see no fault in what your side is doing but when someone else serves you the same “dish” then you start crying racism, bigotry and everything else you can think of. Like I said I do not care for anyone or anyone’s culture or religion that wants to dominate, change or eliminate anyone else. In this case let us compare the Greeks versus the Turks. The occupied area is under the illegal control of Turkey with the support of the Turkish Cypriots who pretend to be saints. Now in Turkey there is a Christian an American Pastor that is in jail being accused of supposedly “trying to Christianize” people. Show me anywhere in the Christian controlled countries where there is an Islamic Imam or whatever they are called that is in jail for trying to promote Islam ( I said Islam and not terrorism). There is none to be found. You can open anywhere in the free Christian world a center of Islam and actively try to turn people. You can not do the same in your culture. Assimilation…show me anywhere in the Islamic world where any attempt of changing the local culture or even just forming a sizable Christian or Western community will be allowed or tolerated.Nowhere. But yet your culture even though people accept you with open arms eventually “you” start demanding the area or country you moved to starts changing to your ways and when people do not agree or show their dislike then you accuse the for racism. Accuse all you want your accusations are pathetic .

          • Cyprus74

            I didnt make an accusation..I stated a fact based on various racist statements made by you. You believe referring to a people as “weeds” to be an acceptable comment? Do you not have a shred of shame? Can you pick out a single comment where I have made a derogatory statement against a race or religion? You can’t and you know it. Can the same be said about you? No it can’t. You can deny not being a racist or islamaphobe all you want but the evidence is there for everyone to read. Let me tell what actually is the most pathetic thing about a coward like you is that you don’t have the guts to specify what the “land of your ancestors” is. Thats because your scared..instead you choose to insult Turkish cypriots and their culture but are ashamed of your own origins . There is no western country as far as I know where it is illegal to preach or proselytize..this is not the case in Islamic the law doesnt allow it. If you did a bit of research or academic reading you would be aware of that. You respect the law of the land where ever you are..whether its wrong or not. Every single religion on this planet has good and bad followers..some commit crimes in the name of god and some do good deeds for the sake of god. nazi loving imbeciles like you however choose only to hight light the bad and malicious followers of a faith in order to give strength/ justification to your evil racist ideology whimps like you will never high light positive aspects because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

          • Cyprus74

            Well its NOT up to you is it? No one is interest in your twisted xenophobic views. You vehemently deny being a racist but yet you compare human beings to weeds and now your boasting that you would send the Turkish cypriots back to the “caves of Anatolia”? There is no justification for such revolting statements. These comments might not constitute as racist in your sick mind..but every other sane intelligent individual would disagree. Your nothing but obnoxious..You claim to have “connections” to Cyprus..then you claim you have ” connections” to Cyprus through other people and then you talk about the ” land of your ancestors” which you must clearly be proud of since you never specify what the name of that land is? Do you feel confused? Is that the reason your so ambiguous?

          • kapios

            Well, just like the Turks I have passed through Cyprus and stayed for a short period of time so therefore I am entitled to say anything I want, steal and posses anything I want . Like I said somewhere else, you as a minority do not have the right to rule the majority in their own land. You exist in Cyprus because the Ottomans were there for a short period of time compared to from the ancient times the Greeks were. So instead of being grateful you tried and still try to rule them or wipe them out using the hordes from Anatolia and schizophrenic Erdogan. Happy with my explanation why I dislike you ? Not that matters to me.

          • Cyprus74

            And what exactly are you the native of? And why is it a secret? How and why we exist in Cyprus has not relevance to you or anyone else for that matter…nor do we need you to explain what are rights are. Secondly what is there to be grateful for? No one has done us any favours apart from making our lives difficult. Were the Europeans grateful to the Native American Indians for “allowing” them to settle in the US? Were the Europeans grateful for the Australian aborigines for allowing them to settle in Australia? Your so called ” explanation ” is tainted with racism..I couldn’t give a toss why you dislike me.. nor did I ask you to explain anything.

  • Bunny

    If Cyprus is at a disadvantage, maybe the President should fly to the US to persuade Donald Trump to change his mind about Iran! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

      Good point. He should indeed do that, instead of going on a useless, tax payers’ money-wasting trip to Serbia. Chance that he would be successful is near zero though.

      • Guest

        Useless to you, valuable to others.

        • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

          Please explain in what way that trip will be valuable.

    • Guest

      If fatboy slim Boris can’t persuade him, no one can.

  • Wanderer

    “Cyprus’s ambitions?” — Perhaps it is a good time for Cyprus to rethink the whole idea of collaborating with and profiting from supporting murderous regimes?

    • Guest

      Yes. I was disgusted to see the head of the murderous Israeli apartheid regime welcomed here yesterday.

      • Wanderer

        It is a good thing that no one cares about feelings of antisemitic morons or their useful idiots.

        • Guest

          Do you really think that anyone falls for the old con of conflating revulsion for the vile Israeli regime with antisemitism any more?
          If so, you must be rally stupid.
          How’s the weather in Tel Aviv by the way? I hear the atmosphere is poisonous.

          • Wanderer

            I sure hope the atmosphere of the beautiful city of Tel Aviv is poisonous to you. You should visit and find out. Wasn’t poisonous to me last time I’ve been there a few weeks ago.

  • A is B

    Always some one else’s fault

    • Plasma Dawn

      Maybe so, but this time it is as far as Cyprus is concerned.

      • A is B

        Your admiration and love for Trump aside for the minute, what do you think of one doing business in Iran and two do you think Trumps decision is right.

        • Plasma Dawn

          Trump’s decision is wrong for too many reasons to even start. counting So you think Iran’s nuclear ambitions are dangerous for the world and therefore you counter them by braking a working and verifiable agreement and giving Iran a godsend pretext to restart their program? So you are that stupid to not realize that one of the consequences of your imbecilic undoing of JCPOA would be the total loss of credibility for the US? Who would bother sign any international agreements and pacts with your administration or future ones knowing they may only remain valid under the current administration — all this coming just before the critical US-NK talks about denuclearization and a lasting peace in the Korean peninsula?

          I would not do business with Iran if my life depended on it, but most countries and private businesses are neither moral nor principled and they would conduct business with the devil, let alone Iran. Both the US and USSR conducted business with Nazi Germany until the very day they were attacked. So much for morality and principles.

          • kapios

            Verifiable agreement ?The agreement Obama signed on on his own and without the approval of Congress had a 21 day I believe advance warning of an impending inspection and certain military locations were off limits. I do not suppose you believe the Iranians would have been honorable enough and attempt to do something illegal at the local neighborhood hardware store rather than those locations ? Now as for who would want to get in to an agreement with the States based on what happened with Iran ? Well first the “agreement”was never approved by the US Congress, it did not had the support of both parties that is why Obama never put it up for vote but rather he made a personal agreement that the rest of the country did not want.This is why Trump could so easily and legally walk away from it. He asked for a year now for the parties involved to fix it. They did not so end of the deal. Any deal made with Korea or any one else for the matter it will be a real deal approved by Congress and once approved not even the President can on his own walk away from it. Obama’s agreement with Iran was a self serving deal helping no one but Obama’s political career. Backfired big time on him.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Yes verifiable. Iran was subject to strict inspections and has never breached the provisions of JCPOA. Maybe you don’t know it, but a country can have many secret projects except for covert nuclear activities due to the basic fact that it is not physically possible to avoid detection no matter who your are — Iran, US, or aliens form Alpha Centauri.

          • kapios

            I hope you do not mind then if I find more credible the doubts of experts in the field of inspections about the shortcomings of the “deal” and its problems of being able to verify…As for the hoax of not being able to hide things from inspections, again a lot of unbiased experts in the field beg to differ.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Again, it is not physically possible to conceal or block radioisotopes or radiation associated with nuclear weapons development. They are detectable even from nuclear sniffer planes flying at high altitudes.

          • kapios

            How about developed ones ?

          • Plasma Dawn

            Huh?!

          • kapios

            The question was as irrelevant as may sound are developed (completed) nuclear weapons detectable also ?

          • Plasma Dawn

            Yes. Nuclear weapons, radiological dispersion device, and the materials for their construction emit gamma rays and neutrons which can be remotely detected to show both the presence and amounts of such materials.

          • kapios

            I wonder then how come nuclear subs with enough nuclear arsenal inside them are able to roam around the oceans and park outside a superpower’s coastline right across from a major military well guarded target and remain stealth. Puzzling to me with all those satellites, detection aircraft and vessels all over the place.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Detection under the water is trickier and more difficult, if not downright impossible with submarines because they are not stationary but constantly on the move. However, no one has ever developed nuclear weapons under the sea so in that respect it would not be a problem with Iran or anyone else.

          • kapios

            I beg to differ on some of your points. And you or anyone else here for the matter has no clue (including me) whether one has managed to build a facility that it can not be detected.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Nice logic. If someone has a secret that no one knows about then surely no one knows that someone has a secret that no one knows about…

            But I’ll leave the detection of nuclear weapons to the nuclear scientists who deal in physics, not in politics, and who know exactly what to expect and what to do.

            I’ve had enough nukes for one day!

          • elbmw

            “If someone has a secret that no one knows about then surely no one knows that someone has a secret that no one knows about…”

            Hey I already told you I’m having a thick day today…What are you trying to do to me?

          • kapios

            This was exactly my point about the agreement and its flawed inspection limitations. Wise decision by Trump to walk away from it.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Your point is not a point at all. You cannot build your case on mysterious premises that not only haven’t been proven to be true, they can’t even even be mentioned or defined. It is not logically possible to make any meaningful assertions about unknown entities. In other words, there is absolutely zero value in making statements about unknown things of whose very existence or nonexistence you know absolutely nothing.

          • kapios

            My point actually was that unlike the majority here including yourself, I agree with Trump walking away from the agreement based on the advice he got from military experts, intelligence experts and scientists in the field which all contradicted what Obama’s politically driven advisers were advising him. Obama was notorious for skipping person to person intelligence briefings, he loathed the military and anyone who did not subscribe to his appeasement strategy. Nothing mysterious or unproven about what I described, all well known. The Europeans are sour about this because it is all about money to them as they foolishly believe Iran can never be a threat to Europe. Putin is tearing his clothes up over this for no real reason other than perhaps now the Iranians may not afford to pay high price for all the weaponry he sells to them. The Middle East, most of it including Israel like what Trump did.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Not so. All intelligence experts, including Pompeo who was CIA Director until two weeks ago, testified that Iran was fully compliant with the JCPOA terms — but don’t let me confuse you or the so-called president Trump with the facts. And no, contrary to your bizarre claim, no Europeans foolishly believe that Iran can never be a threat to Europe. France, Germany, and UK would not have been signatories to JCPOA and would not have worked so hard to dissuade Trump from exiting the deal if they thought so.

            Now, if JCPOA was not deemed strong enough in so-called president Trump’s uninformed and ignorant opinion, it could and should have been enhanced by stronger measures. Instead, the I’ve-made-my-mind-up-don’t-confuse-me-with-the-facts buffoon in the oval office chose to unilaterally exit the deal and by doing so he broke a working and verifiable agreement, gave Iran a godsend pretext to restart their nuclear program, and destabilized an already chaotic and unpredictable region.

          • kapios

            Funny, just finished watching news here in USA and the majority of the politicians and experts are saying to opposite of what you are trying to tell including your baseless claims of the deal being verifiable. As for your comments about Trump being a buffoon it seems the buffoon was and is Obama now watching his legacy being flashed down the toilet along with the liberal dreams that just about nearly destroyed the country.

          • HighTide

            On Fox News.

          • kapios

            Aljeezera and RT

          • HighTide

            and Pravda?

          • kapios

            Too right wing for me.

          • Plasma Dawn

            I am also watching US news and reading the US press daily. Please cite one instance from a reliable source where intelligence experts (politicians do not count) are claiming that Iran was not complying with the terms of JCPOA.

            Since day one, the I’ve-made-my-mind-up-don’t-confuse-me-with-the-facts buffoon in the oval office has been busily dismantling any and all Obama legacies thanks to his complete ignorance, sheer racism, incompetence, narcissism, extreme populism, and for no other reason than his hatred of anything Obama. Trump, a Fox News addict and a semiliterate moron who hasn’t read a book or a serious newspaper or a magazine in his life, is ill-equipped to grasp the consequences of his actions, past or future. Additionally, he is a pathological liar who has lied an average of 6.5 crass lies a day since he became a so-called president.

            The only ones who will support this 21st century disaster visited upon America and the rest of the world are hypocritical and spineless politicians with nothing but self-preserving interests in mind and ignorant people who cannot for the life of them see the damage he has already caused The scariest part: unless we are somehow saved by the proverbial bell sooner rather than later, I am afraid, very afraid we haven’t seen the worst yet.

          • HighTide

            We must not forget that there are always beneficiaries of a regime, whatever its standing. There is clearly a high number of ‘kapiosos’ who take advantage of one or the other gift Trump was dispensing to his loyal supporters. There is only a small number of the American population with a vision that goes beyond their own state or nation. One should therefore not be surprised about the claustrophobic views that are peddled here by some.

          • Plasma Dawn

            Totally so.

          • kapios

            You are definitely watching the wrong news sources I would say. Anyway time will show, I am glad as many others (the majority) in this country Trump did not go along with the deal. He gave ample warning for the interested parties to fix it and they chose not to. So a year later he did exactly what he was put in office to do. Iran either needs to change drastically or be reduced to insignificance.

          • Plasma Dawn

            There are no “wrong” news sources. They “wrong” news sources report the unvarnished, unflattering truth which in Trumps’ own words is equivalent to fake news:

            …91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). — May 9, 2018

            We now have at last an official definition of “fake news” from the horse’s mouth (literally): any negative news about Trump. One couldn’t come with a better proof of the parallel reality in which this imbecile is living if one’s life depended on it.

          • elbmw

            Such things are detected by satellites. You may say that a facility may lay underground but you cannot build an underground – or any other type – facility without being seen while your doing the dig. Too many trucks coming and going and tunnel-boring equipment turning up at the side of a mountain would not go unnoticed by those that watch out for these things.

            So therefore it has nothing to do with the honor of Iranians as sooner or later they would be found out.

          • A is B

            I honestly dont know PD. Who can you trust nowadays.

        • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

          No self-respecting Ziofascist would overtly do business in Iran, although …. if the price is right, I don’t know …

  • Plasma Dawn

    The unilateral decision of US President Donald Trump… may negatively impact Cyprus’s tentative efforts to exploit opportunities in the south Asian country, a business group leader said.

    Lat time I checked, Iran was not a south Asian country.

    • elbmw

      Strange, because the last time I looked at a world map Iran was located in “south Asia”.

      But I’m guessing you meant former Soviet republic?

      • Plasma Dawn

        Iran is defined as a country in the Middle East by the Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, and many other places.

        • elbmw

          I may be having a “thick” day today and I acknowledge that Iran is by “definition” a Mid East country but geographically they are located in southern Asia.

  • Wanderer

    Look up on TheHill dot com: “Trump shredding Obama’s failed deal is just the beginning of winning in Iran” /

    • Plasma Dawn

      All that the US needs now is one more spectacular victory like the it had in Iraq. Mission accomplished 2.0?

      • elbmw

        If the “mission” in Iran is like that of Iraq then should we expect that Iran will follow Iraq back to the stone age with a million casualties to boot?

        • kapios

          Now that would be a shame.

        • Plasma Dawn

          Any altercation between Iran and the US is bound to result in disproportionally more casualties and destruction on Iran’s side. But I was sarcastic when I said “one more spectacular victory like the one it had in Iraq”.

          • elbmw

            Ah OK. Fair enough. My bad as I missed the sarcasm in your comment. Now that I understand it I’m inclined to agree with you.

  • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

    The solution to this problem is simple: if the EU trio that is signatory to the JCPOA sticks to its commitment and gives Trump the middle finger, Cyprus’s solidarity should be with the trio.

    • Plasma Dawn

      Cyprus is too small and fragile to take such big risks. For its own good, it should better avoid upsetting any of the big dogs, be it the US, Russia, etc.

      • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

        It is too small to act alone in the world, which is why it is part of a very big block, the EU.
        If the EU has the guts to stand up to the US – personally I sincerely hope it will, but am not at all convince it will, to put it mildly – then Cyprus should make use of that and side with the EU.

    • Les

      Not that simple. The way these sanctions work is if any other country does business with Iran then the USA will ban that company/entity from doing any business or even acquiring a US visa in America. Do you think Deutschbank or Paribas banks will want to put Iranian interests ahead of their interests in the states?

      • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

        DB or PB and all other companies doing/wanting to do business with Iran should be backed up by the EU. What is important here is how the EU will behave, what stance will it take. Will it have the guts to stand up to the US, side with Russia and China, then, as a block with a lot more economic/financial clout tan the US, impose punitive sanctions on the latter. If that would happen, which I fervently hope, then it is simple indeed.

        Personally I am worried that the EU will be its usual spineless, gutless self and cave in to the US, in which case it is simple too: Europe and European companies will drop Iran like a brick. This time however, Iran has already started its pivot towards the East and is likely to suffer less than the previous round of sanctions.

        • Les

          It will be interesting to see what develops. Clearly the US does not care about its relationship with any country and so what can the EU do? I heard they will complain to the World Trade Organization if the US takes retaliatory actions against EU countries. The EU may have to start sanctioning US companies because if the status quo stays as it is, the only safe place to invest will be the US.

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            “…. the only safe place to invest will be the US.”
            How so?

          • Les

            Because of sanctions and Tumps unwillingness to do free trade – so invest in the US and you don’t face being sanctioned yourself and have access to capital and don’t have to pay duties plus reduced taxes and loosing of regulations. The US economy is booming right now and in part because companies outside the US are being punished (or at least threatened).

          • HighTide

            Sanctions apply only to specific businesses and nations. There are plenty of investment opportunities in Europe and the Far East that are not affected by Trump’s brinkmanship.

          • #’~A*[email protected](>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^%

            The US is in decline, it is an empire-in-decline, which is why it can only resort to force and violence to try to impose its rule.

            If, as an investor, you want to take the long term view, then you would be better off investing in Asia, because that is where economic, financial, and political power will lie. I will name just 1 project of gargantuan proportions: China’s New Silk Road, a.k.a. the One Belt One Road Initiative. You have probably heard about it, it will be the biggest infrastructure project ever undertaken in human history, affecting a big part, if not most, of the world’s population.

  • Ferdi

    EU economy is strong enough to challenge USA. Add to that the Chinese and Russia and the US will be the losers in this stupidity. Lets hope Iran continues with the agreement with the rest of the countries and does not pull out herself. The Ayatollahs and the rervolutionary guard getting their hands of such weapons can only mean one thing. They will use them.

    • kapios

      Let me see,just my neighborhood’s hardware store and it is not as big as lots of others has more Chinese merchandise in it than cities combined in Europe…I just somehow can not see the Chinese choosing to take sides with Europeans and bite the hand that feeds them. There is quite a bit of exports from Europe to USA that China would be more than happy to oblige in case Europe foolishly decides to go on a pissing war. Throw in NATO support and Trump cutting a lot of the aid and see what happens.

      • HighTide

        The worst case scenario of Trump’s idiotic move is a faster development of nuclear goodies in Iran. The US already screwed up Iraq and is fighting a war in Afghanistan it cannot win, despite sending thousands of body bags home. The US cannot afford further military disasters in this part of the world on the back of suffering locals.

        • kapios

          Iran ain’t gonna get nukes, it will get something else for sure but not nukes.

          • HighTide

            Nobody wants this, but the US cannot prevent it on its own.

          • kapios

            Watch and learn. But I do hope they do not pursue it to the end. Perhaps the grown ups will let them play a little for internal consumption and national pride (got to keep the holy warriors happy) but if they start crossing a certain line then the USA / Israel slap ( to use a favored Erdogan term) will knock some sense in to them. But it may not get to that. From what I hear the younger generations are not as keen as on the dogma of 70 virgins waiting for them…

          • HighTide

            You have illusions of US almighty power. From Iraq 4.500 body bags returned to the US, another couple of thousand from Afghanistan with nothing to show for other than more chaos there. Watch and learn the limits of your country.

          • kapios

            I see you have some troubles keeping up with modern times. There is ample unclassified information on how very soon ground troops will be limited in their numbers.Your “sand scientists” might be pursuing the elusive nuclear status or think they can throw in millions of Jihadists to kill Americans but they will not know what hit them. Be fun to watch.

          • HighTide

            You watch too many movies. The US cannot afford to start a war in the Middle East that would automatically involve many parties including the Russians. In Afghanistan, your fabulous army is fighting against ‘Jihadists’ since many years without any tangible success. Sand is more treacherous than you can image, you couch strategist.

          • kapios

            Movies might be your source but certainly not mine. My fabulous army has the capability to wipe out Afghanistan and Iran overnight let alone a few camel warriors. If it was left up to the military to fight without any political correctness (of which the camel warriors are not restrained by) your holy warriors would be converting overnight to a different worship. However like I said watch and learn…negotiating will take care of a lot of the problems no one had the balls to address properly till Trump came along and once the European “peasantry” realizes they are on a self destructive path, following Merkle and the rest of her clan the domino effect will begin. Whether we like it or not the world is coming to a conflict along religious lines and complicated by the West and East interests.

          • HighTide

            Don’t you realize how stupid your comment is in the light of the reality in places like Afghanistan where the wiping out is done by someone else and your heroes have nothing achieved in nearly two decades? The US can simply not afford to take on combined powers in the MIddle East and the world will not allow your madman to start a universal war.

          • kapios

            Yes I do realize at times I say stupid things especially to you, but trying to converse with you is like explaining a quadratic equation to my dog. It is fun reading your responses however.

          • HighTide

            You would be better off sticking to conversation with your dog, he is the only one who does not realize the nonsense you are distributing.

          • kapios

            Hold on…Breaking news on Rush Limbaugh…

        • Guest

          Dumbo, ‘Israel strikes Iranian targets in Syria in response to rocket fire
          Israel says it has struck almost all of Iran’s military infrastructure inside Syria in its biggest assault since the start of the civil war there.’

          • HighTide

            Leo, don’t get excited, it does not affect you.

          • Guest

            Dumbo, it does, because you will be next to be ‘slapped’ (Erdogan’s favourite word by the way), by the hand of Israel.

      • Ferdi

        I don’t think you quite figured out who feeds who between China and USA. USA has Trillions of debt and China has the same amount in credit. If they so wish they can ruin America with the debt.
        As to the Nato and aid, I think you will find that it is the reverse too. Any aid USA gives to Nato members is spent on buying weapons from USA. They do not do it out of the goodness of their heart, they do it to help their arms industry.
        Nato has passed its sell-by date anyway, the Europeans have more to worry from USA than Russia especially as they depend on Russia for resources.
        Lets hope you are right and aid is cut off.

        • HighTide

          There is no US aid to NATO to be cut off anyway, because there isn’t. The US contributes to a number of countries where they have a military base, or as you write, armament orders are coming from.
          NATO has only a small budget to take care of its headquarters. Each member state has to make its own defense investments. There is no obligatory contribution other than the recommended 2% of GDP that is not met by everyone. The US keep pushing other nations to increase their spending in order to maintain hundreds of bases all over the world which are irrelevant to Europe, only serving the US attempt on hegemony.
          Anyway, bullying always backfires.

          • Guest

            Dumbo, why didn’t you tell Erdogan this, why keep it a secret from him?
            ‘Anyway, bullying always backfires.’

          • HighTide

            Leo, as always you must intrude with your irrelevant rubbish.

          • Guest

            Dumbo by name dumbo by nature.

        • kapios

          If you say so..

  • Wanderer

    The Iran deal withdrawal happened, so now’s the time to brush up on what Jihad Watch calls “the terrorist powerhouse of the world.” Read about how the deal was nothing more than capitulation to the mullahs in “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran” (look it up on Amazon)

    • HighTide

      There is a voice for everything. It’s up to the reader which one to believe.

  • HighTide

    The hypocritical stance of the US, together with their aim to rule the world, is documented by the fact that at least eight states possess nuclear capability, many of them with doubtful leaderships such as Pakistan and North Korea, not to forget China. I would not trust Trump with the red button either. To deny others the route to this achievement is only based on bullying rather than upholding equal rights of sovereign states. Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear power while others are called pariahs when pursuing the same aim. It is much too late for a nuclear free world but the US are not qualified and authorized to tell others what to do. We must hope that Kim of North Korea will agree to reduce or dismantle his nuclear arsenal only when the US will follow suit.

    • Plasma Dawn

      I agree with one correction: There is no such thing as “the US are not qualified and authorized to tell others what to do”. There is no higher authority that licenses countries to police the word and tell others what to do. Whether we like it or not, in this world power dictates and the US is still a military and economic superpower whose approval or disapproval can make the all the difference between prosperity and ruin of a country.

      • HighTide

        I can see your point, but being qualified in this context means morally not being worthy of its perceived leading role, and authorized by the world community are the US for sure not. After all, it’s the only country that ever has applied nuclear force with hundred thousands of deaths and more suffering victims, not to mention wrecking countries from Vietnam to Iraq without wider consensus. Its leadership by bullying also has a sell-by-date. Right now, we have Europe, Russia and China united on the Iran issue (provided it will last) and that could turn into a serious challenge for the US. Export from China to Europe trails the volume of sales to the US not by too much. Who would have thought of such a ‘trilateral’ position prior to Trumps rise?